Bingham
27/5/2016 10:40:01
Here I am, lurking in the background noise of your life. If you need help with this chapter, or the summer packet, ask away; or even better, post your answers to margin questions, and I'll give you some feedback.
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Eliza Pillsbury
17/8/2016 12:08:14
I thought I would give the margin question for "Coercion and Consent", page 76, a shot.
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Bingham
18/8/2016 15:08:01
Yep, looks pretty good to me! Just the right level of detail while still keeping it brief.
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Eliza Pillsbury
17/8/2016 12:13:27
I had a question on the Seeking the Main Point question on page 62.
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Matilda Smolij
18/8/2016 14:36:55
If you're looking for more specifics about Paleolithic vs Neolithic societies (from what I understood) Strayer mentioned that In Neolithic societies there were more profound differences in economic function, skill, wealth and status which created more division and inequality than in the Paleolithic societies.
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Matilda Smolij
18/8/2016 14:42:03
I just realized I totally misread the question so please ignore my comment. Sorry!
Bingham
18/8/2016 15:15:00
Very similar to the other question, huh?
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Amy Vaughan
18/8/2016 15:27:26
I think that if you separated the listed characteristics into progress vs. setbacks, this answer could also work for BPQ#4.
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Amy Vaughan
18/8/2016 12:59:43
Somehow I managed to miss this page and was commenting on the wrong forum haha. Here's my attempt to answer margin question 5 (pg. 73).
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Bingham
18/8/2016 15:26:43
But to address your question...
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Bingham
18/8/2016 15:18:56
I got fooled too! I get an email when someone posts,and I just clicked the link and responded to you. The title of that forum was also Strayer 2, but that was the first edition I did with you guys in May. For those of you that are curious about what we posted, http://www.binghamsplace.com/you-and-strayer/strayer-2-first-farmers
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Cassie Barham
18/8/2016 16:57:22
I have both an attempt in answering the second margin question (page 68) and a question in regards to it. As far as origins, it's clear that that comes primarily from the Agricultural Revolution, but in terms of "breakthroughs to civilization," I'm thinking this is referring to the factors that propelled the rise of individual civilizations?
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Amy Vaughan
18/8/2016 17:15:35
I'm a little confused as to why the story of Paneb is included in the chapter. Is it to reveal that the usually idealized Egyptian state wasn't what it was all cracked up to be?
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Cassie Barham
19/8/2016 12:36:38
That's my understanding of its inclusion. I think there is an element to the story that is also telling of the regard for pharaohs in Paneb's time. The power that pharaohs held was already in a diminished state, and this shows up in Paneb's blatant disrespect of a royal tomb, possibly reflecting how the reality in Egypt of that time was that Pharaohs were not so sacred as they once were, which doesn't correspond with idealized depictions of Egyptian civilization.
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Bingham
19/8/2016 15:33:56
Well, yes, it's useful for that, but Strayer's inclusion of Paneb's story has another purpose. However, it's part of a broader discussion I'd like to have with you in class. Will you remind me to discuss this?
Cassie Barham
19/8/2016 12:54:12
As far as the form of government of some of the First Civilizations (namely Mesopotamian, Egyptian, and Chinese), is it correct to say they are theocracies? These three at least definitely seem to use religion as a primary guideline for authority and rule. If not, what form(s) of government would they be most like? Were theocracies generally abundant in early civilizations?
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Amy Vaughan
19/8/2016 14:13:00
That's tricky, because while religion definitely had a strong influence over many of the First Civilizations, some were quite characteristic of monarchies (ex: Egypt and China). Pharaohs were hereditary sovereigns, as were the monarchs in China. Then again, the pharaohs were viewed as gods in mortal form, and Chinese monarchs were deemed "Sons of Heaven." Maybe it's a mix of the two?
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Cassie Barham
19/8/2016 15:27:42
I see what you mean. Looking back, I was thinking something along the same lines. I may also be way off with Mesopotamia in any case (I thought I read something about the prominence of religion in Mesopotamian states, but as I'm looking back through, I don't think I'm seeing it?).
Amy Vaughan
19/8/2016 15:58:01
Mesopotamian cities were ruled by kings thought to be stewards of their city's patron gods (pg. 77). Also, a side question: Mesopotamia seems to be less of a cohesive civilization, at least in comparison to the more unified Egypt. In the sections comparing Mesopotamian and Egyptian patriarchy and government, is it referring to southern Mesopotamia (the city-states of Sumer), or Mesopotamia as a whole? Sorry if this question is confusing haha. I might be overthinking it.
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Bingham
20/8/2016 16:37:48
No, these are not theocracies. Every time a presidents gives a speech, he (maybe her) says, "and God bless the United States of America." That doesn't make America a theocracy.
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Cassie Barham
19/8/2016 16:16:12
For the third Big Picture Question: How do the various First Civilizations differ from one another? Is providing descriptions of what makes the First Civilizations unique sufficient, or should we go more in depth with their relationships and compare their similarities as well?
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Cassie Barham
19/8/2016 16:24:59
Eliza posed a similar question about the paleolithic and neolithic societies compared to civilizations, but I'm not sure if our process of comparison should be any different for the different civilizations
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Amy Vaughan
19/8/2016 17:11:37
I would look into characteristics such as forms of writing, political and economic systems, physical geography, religion, inequality, etc. and describe how they differ from civilization to civilization.
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Eliza Pillsbury
20/8/2016 14:51:42
Cassie, I am focusing on the characteristics that Strayer points out as being unique about each civilization. I think he does a good job of covering the topics that Amy mentioned, which are a great way to think about this question. Obviously a huge section is dedicated to comparing Mesopotamia and Egypt, so that might be a little different.
Bingham
20/8/2016 16:35:29
How about SPICE themes?
Eliza Pillsbury
20/8/2016 14:58:02
Here is my answer for the margin question for Patriarchy in Practice.
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Eliza Pillsbury
20/8/2016 15:14:03
I think BPQ1 is rather interesting of Strayer. It certainly invites conversation.
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Amy Vaughan
20/8/2016 17:04:03
Strayer states that the popular usage of the word "civilization" is to imply "refined behavior" or "a 'higher' form of society," both of which suggest something positive or improved.
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Bingham
20/8/2016 18:47:23
That's a pretty great answer!
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Jacqueline Touchet
21/8/2016 10:50:30
I was wondering how specific we needed to be when answering the comparison margin question on page 80 (Comparison - In what ways did Mesopotamian and Egyptian civilizations differ from each other?). Mesopotamian and Egyptian societies had so many differences which Strayer then talks about for several pages, so should we include all or most of the examples he gives, or just the basics (for example "They differed in environment, culture, cities and states, and interaction and exchange). That seems a bit too vague for me, but I was answering it in a table and jotting down all of the examples he provides and my answer was pretty lengthy.
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Amy Vaughan
21/8/2016 12:02:29
BPQ2: “Civilizations were held together largely by force.” Do you agree with this assessment, or were there other mechanisms of integration as well?
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Yasmeen Gaber
21/8/2016 20:34:35
Wow! Thanks for a great answer to go off of! However, I do think it would be essential to go back to the origin of civilizations, because, after all, what kept civilizations together is likely what caused them in the first place. Although there is a general consensus that the Agricultural Revolution caused these civilizations, they are also attributed to a missing coefficient, which has been theorized as the a growing population's need for a more complex society and the human need for order (which I believe you listed). These, I think, are the root early civilizations, and all of the benefits you listed and force were compensating agents, all of which held the societies of these civilizations together. In short, I don't think you're missing anything, but I find that the root causes are the most important in binding them through the ages. I hope that was remotely coherent and/or helpful!
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Bri Al-Bahish
21/8/2016 12:50:18
I'm a bit confused about where the chapter ends. It looks like it stops on page 91, but there are several pages after that belong to "part two." Is Part Two: Second-Wave Civilizations in World History included in what we are supposed to have down for the test?
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Cindy Xia
21/8/2016 15:37:46
Yes, the chapter ends on 91. At least the packet version stops at 91.
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Amy Vaughan
21/8/2016 17:02:16
When Strayer discusses Mesopotamia and compares it to Egypt, is he talking about Mesopotamia as a whole, or the city-states of Sumer (southern Mesopotamia)?
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Yasmeen Gaber
21/8/2016 20:43:18
I believe he is talking about Sumer because he starts out talking about Sumer and the city-states to contrast the government structure with that of unified Egypt, and he discusses "Mesopotamia's" downfall with the invasion of Akkadians, Babylonians and Assyrians, both the former and latter of whom are Mesopotamian. However, there are later parts, like when he's talking about trade, when he groups Mesopotamia together, but in those cases, he specializes when he gives an example, and when he gives a generalization, it's pretty safe to assume Mesopotomia as a whole. Thanks for asking, I didn't even realize I was confused about that until I had to look for the answer!
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Jacqueline Touchet
21/8/2016 18:15:03
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Amy Vaughan
21/8/2016 18:27:42
#8: In what ways did Mesopotamian and Egyptian civilizations differ from each other?
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