Most students find this chapter very manageable. Much of it is familiar to many, and we tend to know the geography pretty well. On the other hand, the early days of the catholic church, the Eastern orthodox church, the new empires of Byzantium and the Kievian Rus are generally unfamiliar to us. But make no mistake, they are both important in their time, but also in our time. As Strayer reminded us, look for characteristics of these times, in these places, that might give us clues to the future dominance of the West. Remember, in this course, hard work pays off in direct results. Let's make this a good one! |
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Coleman Harper
24/10/2016 14:52:14
MQ4: In what ways was the Byzantine Empire linked to a wider world?
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Matilda
25/10/2016 22:55:04
Could you possibly also say that Byzantium preserved a lot of its ancient Greek learning and transmitted it to the Islamic world and Christian West?
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Coleman Harper
26/10/2016 17:01:39
That's what I was trying to prove when I talked about Byzantium introducing Greek learning to the Islam world and Christian West. It is important to remember how Greek learning was preserved in Byzantium, but when it comes to talking about the wider world, the fact that Greek learning was transmitted beyond Byzantium is the focus of that specific point.
Cassie Barham
24/10/2016 19:40:12
MQ: How did Eastern Orthodox Christianity differ from Roman Catholicism?
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Cassie Barham
24/10/2016 20:11:54
BPQ: How does the evolution of the Christian world in the third-wave era compare with that of Tang and Song dynasty China and of the Islamic world?
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Bingham
26/10/2016 09:42:58
Great stuff Cassie. I think though that the word Christian is leading you off track a bit into religion. My take is that the use of the term "Christian world" is simply a way of designating the social, economic and political entities of Western Europe and Byzantium. In any case, here's how I would approach this:
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Cassie Barham
26/10/2016 16:38:50
I see what you mean. I'll make sure to keep that distinction in mind going forward. Thank you!
Taylor Scott
26/10/2016 20:07:01
I think there was division in Buddhism (Theravada and Mahayana). Or are you talking about differences specifically mentioned in the China chapter? What do you think?
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Taylor Scott
25/10/2016 17:22:40
MQ5: How did the links to Byzantium transform the new civilization of Kievan Rus?
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Taylor Scott
25/10/2016 17:25:34
MQ6: What replaced the Roman order in Western Europe?
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Niara Pelton
25/10/2016 20:29:15
I think that feudalism is also a pretty big one.
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Taylor Scott
25/10/2016 20:32:31
That's right!
Eliza Pillsbury
25/10/2016 22:37:39
Don't forget the authority of the Roman Catholic Church!
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Yasmeen Gaber
26/10/2016 20:49:45
I would get more specific with feudalism and talk a little bit about the microeconomics with manoralism, because I think that was a very specific economic structure in Western European feudalism. I would also mention that trade was limited to Italy, which yielded a much more isolated Western Europe than was seen in the Roman Empire.
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Amy Vaughan
26/10/2016 21:56:40
I'm not sure that I would actually add trade to Italy, since the question is asking about Roman order. I interpret that to be political control (maybe I'm wrong), and I think of trade as economic.
Yasmeen Gaber
26/10/2016 21:59:40
Interesting point. I don't think I was thinking enough about what the question was asking.
Taylor Scott
25/10/2016 17:27:59
MQ7: In what ways was European civilization changing after 1000?
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Cassie Barham
25/10/2016 19:17:21
For the human environmental interactions you include, I think it's important to add that a lot of this change that occurred was enable by the climate getting warmer.
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Matilda
26/10/2016 19:01:35
Could you also add that the Roman Catholic Church expanded?
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Taylor Scott
25/10/2016 17:37:19
MQ8: What was the impact of the Crusades in world history?
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Coleman Harper
26/10/2016 17:44:18
The issue of the last bullet is that it is practically a quote from Strayer, which often is the best way to ensure that your point isn't misinterpreted on the test.
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Taylor Scott
25/10/2016 17:40:11
MQ9: In what ways did borrowing from abroad shape European civilization after 1000
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Coleman Harper
26/10/2016 17:36:10
I believe the Snapshot has even more info about specific innovations, but I can elaborate on two very quickly to start off.
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Yasmeen Gaber
26/10/2016 22:33:09
Bingham said that Muslims were great synthesizers, so I'll try to live up to that by synthesizing y'all's answers:
Taylor Scott
25/10/2016 17:44:26
MQ10: Why was Europe unable to achieve the kind of political unity that China experienced? What impact did this have on the subsequent history of Europe?
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Cindy Xia
26/10/2016 19:59:08
More to What:
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Taylor Scott
25/10/2016 18:19:36
Seeking the Main Point on pp.464: In what different ways did the history of Christianity unfold in various parts of the Afro-Eurasian world during the third-wave era?
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Cassie Barham
25/10/2016 21:03:00
I think it's important to go a little more in depth with how the religion played out in these societies as far as contraction/success goes and why. Your bullet for Africa and Asia kinda does this, but I think it's worth going more in depth. This was my attempt on the question:
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Taylor Scott
25/10/2016 18:50:19
MQ1: What variations in the experience of African and Asian Christian communities can you identify?
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Taylor Scott
25/10/2016 19:14:37
MQ2: In what respects did Byzantium continue the patterns of the classical Roman Empire? In what ways did it diverge from those patterns?
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Cassie Barham
25/10/2016 19:31:26
BPQ: How did Byzantine and Western Europe interact with each other and with the larger world of the third-wave era?
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Cassie Barham
25/10/2016 19:48:42
This is a question I created based on some of what's written in the section The Byzantine Church and Christian Divergence. There's a margin question I attempted to answer above concerning the difference of Eastern Orthodox and Latin Christianity, but I think understanding the causes behind those differences is important too, especially since Strayer lays them out so specifically in this section.:
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Cassie Barham
25/10/2016 20:12:30
Looking back, I think this would contribute to answering the BPQ "What accounts for the different historical trajectories of the Byzantine and Western European expression of Christendom?"
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Cassie Barham
25/10/2016 20:43:27
BPQ: What accounts for the different historical trajectories of the Byzantine and West European expressions of Christendom ?
Cindy Xia
26/10/2016 21:21:56
This is so thorough!! I'd probably add the significance of Greek rationale and Greek texts towards answering this BPQ though, such as how Western Christendom took the path of combining theology/human reasoning with faith, and how Byzantine rejected Greek texts.
Amy Vaughan
26/10/2016 21:53:49
I think that "differences in theology and church practice" might fall as an effect of differences in language and culture rather than a cause of differences. (As you said, Greek influence in Byzantium would definitely affect "interpretations of Christian doctrines", aka theology.)
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Taylor Scott
25/10/2016 20:03:37
MQ11 is attached as a google doc. Suggestions welcome!
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Yasmeen Gaber
26/10/2016 22:34:04
Thanks! That was a really helpful tool!
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Coleman Harper
26/10/2016 17:18:57
While reading through "Society and the Church" on the Western Europe section, I saw that there were one or two paragraphs about converting the "pagan" people of Western Europe to Roman Catholicism. For the sake of comparison, I thought it might be useful to shed a light on this process so that more effective comparison can be made to the conversion methods of other religions.
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Taylor Scott
26/10/2016 19:07:57
Hi. I'm a little confused about how the veneration of icons connects to a difference between Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy because in MQ5, I saw that the extensive use of icons is borrowed by Kievan Rus. However, for MQ3, it says that icons were valued and worshiped, Could someone please explain this to me?
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Yasmeen Gaber
26/10/2016 19:38:11
I'm not exactly sure what your question is, but here's what I think you're looking for:
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Yasmeen Gaber
26/10/2016 20:28:54
Btw, I lied about Roman Catholicism opposing iconography--please ignore that phrase.
Taylor Scott
26/10/2016 21:41:50
So the presence of iconography is a continuity and change over time when pertaining to the Byzantine Empire.
Amy Vaughan
26/10/2016 21:30:27
Okay, so on the reading check, I know there was some confusion about a question asking about where Greek rationalism had the most effect (or something to that extent, I believe). The choice that was initially correct was Byzantium, however, some people argued that it had greater influence in Western Europe, and we ended up saying that Western Europe was the correct answer. However, I'm still confused, as I've found textual evidence in the book for both sides of the argument.
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Yasmeen Gaber
26/10/2016 21:55:22
I think you might be overthinking it. There were certainly cultural and theological ramifications of Greek influence on Byzantium, and I found some quotes to more eloquently state my point:
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Audrey Mills
27/10/2016 06:33:12
BPQ3: In what respects was the civilization of the Latin West unique, and in what ways was it broadly comparable to other third wave civilizations?
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