The Document Based Question

10/10/2014

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Bingham

12/10/2014 07:35:08

Just in case you haven't been paying attention.
http://www.binghamsplace.com/writing-the-ap-way.html

Adele Carlson

12/10/2014 10:35:54

Okay so in the example DBQ that you gave us, the thesis explains the change over time, but didn't mention the groupings that they used in the 3 body paragraphs. I know you told us to allude to them, so is it acceptable to do this on our DBQs?

Bingham

12/10/2014 13:14:33

Great question Adele. It shows you are fully engaged and catching the nuance of things.

Okay, so I'm teaching to write this essay with failsafes in place. The groupings point is generally considered in the topic sentence of each body para. But the reader are free to find it in other places, such as your intro para. And if you do it in both, it improves your chances with both the thesis point and the groupings point.

This is the problem I have with showing students essays from the actual reading. Yes, that student pulled it off, but under pressure, will you? Better to demonstrate groupings in both places.

Adele Carlson

12/10/2014 13:30:55

Thanks Mr. Bingham! The forum isn't avtually as intimidating as I thought

Bethany

12/10/2014 12:38:40

Can someone please explain the difference between nationality and ethnicity in CORNPEG?

Adele Carlson

12/10/2014 12:57:06

So for example I'll use myself. I am Chinese and I was born in China, however I have lived in America all my life. My race is Asian, my ethnicity is Chinese and my nationality is American or Asian-American. Race is my "skin color" and ethnicity is a sub group, but nationality is where you are a citizen or where you've lived for most of your life.

Bethany

12/10/2014 13:01:12

Thanks!

Adele Carlson

12/10/2014 12:58:30

^^ you can change nationalities

Bingham

12/10/2014 13:16:49

And "race" doesn't exist biologically, it's a social construct.

Bethany

12/10/2014 13:31:53

Just for clarification, POV should only be used to affirm the reliability of a source, correct? That's what I have in my notes, but in the example essay mr bingham gave us POV is used to say that a source was unreliable

Bethany

12/10/2014 13:35:44

Also, what would that example essay score? I was a little confused by it as its organization differed in some ways then what I have in my notes. Also, mr bingham you said that everything that was in white was non scoring right? I don't understand this as it seemed to me that what was in white was what was showing understanding of the documents

Bingham

12/10/2014 13:46:01

I told you, it's an eight. The POV standard was low that year. Okay, you got me, I mis-spoke. Notice I only included the "(doc #)" when the student addressed it (in green). I meant to imply that it counted as "understanding the document". I'll try to be more blandly literal in the future.

Bethany

12/10/2014 13:53:07

Sorry for misunderstanding, I thought I had remembered you implying that you could omit everything in white to emphasize your point that the essays don't have to be long. But that really wouldn't have made any sense so my bad.

Augi

12/10/2014 14:05:18

In the sample essay that we got, it only had two groupings, but in other sets of documents we have grouped them into three groupings. Does this mean that groupings really change based on what documents you have?

Adele carlson

12/10/2014 14:37:19

reply below 👇

Adele carlson

12/10/2014 14:35:08

You could say the third group would be the views of merchants, however you could argue that there are really only 2 groups because the "third" only has 1 doc discussed and a group must include at least 2 to make a grouping

Olivia LP

12/10/2014 14:48:14

It might be too late and this is probably a stupid question, but when grouping documents do the groups have to be associated? Like does it have to be "religious documents" and "non-religious documents"? Because I see in the example DBQ that there different groupings and that they don't relate to each other technically but more to the prompt.

Bingham

12/10/2014 23:04:30

The grouping standard AR that reading was only two to get the point. Your standard is three.

Bingham

12/10/2014 23:08:22

Bethany. I want you to begin with reliability, but if that doesn't come to you, you can describe your skepticism. Remember the "take it with a grain of salt..." discussion?
Also, you can use authorial or tone for POV.

Olivia C

19/10/2014 09:29:38

Should you think of groupings to create a thesis or use the thesis to create the groupings?
Because when I wrote the practice DBQ, I just used whatever documents applied to my topic sentences and then felt like I did grouping completely wrong.

Bingham

19/10/2014 14:18:06

Well, that's one of those what-works-for-you questions.
Generally, people tend to start with where the documents lead them in terms of groupings, then the groupings become the categories/units of analysis in the thesis. That's the safer route.

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