Isabella Jarosz
25/10/2014 11:21:39
There's a quote on 316 of the yellow book, which goes as such, "It is not permissible for a stranger to hear the sound of a pestle being pounded by a woman he does not know. If he knocks at the door, it is not proper for the woman to answer him softly and easily because men's hearts can be drawn to women for the most trifling reason...However, if the woman has to answer the knock, she should stick her finger in her mouth so that her voice sounds like that of an old woman." This quote is regarding male and female inequality in Islam, but I don't understand what it's saying. Can someone clarify it for me? Thanks!
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Ana Larrazolo
25/10/2014 11:49:30
Ok, so two paragraphs after that quote Strayer explains that woman were seen as a "sexually changed threat to men and social stability" and also in the quote we see this al-Ghazali rational reflect this "...because men's hearts can be drawn to women for the most trifling reasoning" This also supplies the justification that it must be to the a woman to conduct herself according and not cause a man to become sexually or romantically appealing to a male. This idea is also supported by the taboos, social constructed of shame, self respect and virtue. If this is too vague I'll explain more thoroughly.
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Ana Larrazolo
25/10/2014 11:51:31
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Isabella Jarosz
25/10/2014 14:42:21
Thank you!!
Bingham
25/10/2014 11:55:54
Hi Isabellla, I hope Chicago was cool.
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Savanna
26/10/2014 06:52:35
UGH that analogy about the clothing makes so much more sense. Thanks and ugh.
Lorenz & Charlie
26/10/2014 02:33:46
Okay guys, so me and Charlie are pooling study techniques, and we will not only be answering MQ & BPQ, we will also be doing the Islam vs. World stuff that Sr. Bingham showed us in class. Wooooh!! Good Grades!!
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Bingham
26/10/2014 03:04:06
I've always found bragging after the act more endearing than before.
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Bingham
26/10/2014 11:38:27
Okay, fine, do it your way. Remember the reading check is Monday/Tuesday this week due to early release on Wednesday.
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Ana Larrazolo
26/10/2014 13:47:19
Margin Question #1
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Bingham
26/10/2014 23:35:31
I think the best way to grasp it is to see that early Islam is replacing loyalty to the clan with loyalty to the larger umma, the community of Islam; using the clan terminology, to make the idea understandable. So Islam replaces these clan ideas with a larger idea, holding on to the the useful parts and replacing the dysfunctional ones - all the revenge and fighting stuff.
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Ana Larrazolo
27/10/2014 13:38:35
AHHHH okay this makes sense! And it was obviously very effective, because we can see this when Malcolm X is describing his pilgrimage to Islam and he saw all the brotherhood incorporated in Islam despite all the different ethnic backgrounds and such. Thanks Mr.Bingham!
Bethany
27/10/2014 14:37:54
I don't understand how this point about Islam challenging the tribal and clan structure of the Arabs reflects Islam's Arabian origins. Could someone explain? Does it have something to do with your above answer Mr. Bingham?
Ana Larrazolo
27/10/2014 15:45:05
The Messenger and the Message
Bethany
28/10/2014 10:50:38
Thanks!
Savanna Lim
26/10/2014 13:48:41
Margin Question 4:
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Ana Larrazolo
26/10/2014 13:57:26
Just add to the second one that the Byzantine and Persian empires were weakened by decades of war with each other and by internal revolts. But the rest looks great!
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Bingham
26/10/2014 23:38:33
I wouldn't underestimate the power of the jihad stuff. I mean people can really get behind spreading a religion. Sort of missionaries with swords!
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Ana Larrazolo
29/10/2014 16:23:32
OHHHHH I GET IT! So Jihad in this context is basically them saying "hey we're gonna take over your land, try and get Islam to dominate, the people living here before can convert cause it's very easy and you can get some rewards, but if it Islam isn't your thing you'll just have to pay taxes and not get the same benefits of the incentives as the converts but whatever" I was so confused with the Spreading with the sword because I thought they were killing people and I also thought that was a Western idea... but I have been enlightened
Bingham
26/10/2014 23:40:54
I don't know about you guys, but I'm just really blown away by all the great posts by Lorenz and Charlie. Whew. Overwhelming and insightful!
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Charlie Wannall
29/10/2014 17:29:29
ha...ha...
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Bethany
27/10/2014 14:57:31
I'm a little confused about MQ3- In what ways was the rise of Islam revolutionary, both in theory and practice? Is he asking how was it revolutionary from an Arab view or from a more broad, Eurasian view? Could Islam's radical monotheism be considered revolutionary? I'm debating it, because there was a large Jewish and Christian influence in Arab society, so it's nothing new from that standpoint, but Muhammad overthrew the idols in the Kabba, which I consider revolutionary. From a broader Eurasian view, monotheism is certainly not revolutionary. Could someone help me out please? I think I'm overcomplicating this haha.
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Bethany
27/10/2014 14:59:51
I'm leaning towards the broader view, because this is World history after all, but I just want to be sure. :)
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Isabella Jarosz
28/10/2014 14:26:11
I answered this MQ by looking at what Muslims viewed as revolutionary (theory) and how what they were doing effected those who did not practice Islam (practice). Someone, tell me if you got something different!
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Isabella Jarosz
28/10/2014 14:55:38
By "you" I mean any peeps on the forum
Bingham
28/10/2014 11:47:19
Okay guys, you need a good score on this one. No "boring chapter" excuse here. Just do the work. You and I know what you need to do, and we're the only ones that matter. Tell others what you want, but you have to look at yourself in the mirror, in silence, with nobody "liking" your post. THIS is reality!
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Hank Funderburk
28/10/2014 16:15:43
MQ #10 - Why was Anatolia so much more thoroughly Islamized than India?
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Isabella Jarosz
29/10/2014 00:14:42
This looks pretty accurate, but I would just add that far more Turkic-speaking people settled in Anatolia than India. Otherwise, it looks great!
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Kiyana
29/10/2014 09:26:23
Here's my shot at MQ2, "How does the core message of Islam compare with that of Judaism and Christianity?"
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Isabella Jarosz
29/10/2014 10:11:28
Here's how I answered it, but if anyone has anything else to add, please feel free to.
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aidan
29/10/2014 10:15:48
i feel that fasting is definitely a part of all three religions.the fourth pillar of Islam required fasting during Ramadan, and in Judaism there is passover and Yom-kuppor. and in Christianity there is lent all of which are forms of fasting.
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Bethany
29/10/2014 11:25:07
But lent isn't fasting in regard to food.
Ana Larrazolo
29/10/2014 16:39:03
I agree with Bethany but I understand what you're hinting to, I suppose giving up a small form of temptation almost I don't know if Im saying that right... but yes that values and morals parallel not only through these three but across many of them.
Allie Elkhadem
29/10/2014 10:17:51
I agree that they both do hold a lot of the same values. So here's how I answered it:
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Kiyana
29/10/2014 10:24:19
Thank you guys! As far as women being seen as equal, eventually in Islam the story of Adam and Eve was altered to blame, like in the judeo-christian versions...? Would it be more correct then to say that they were not seen as equals?
Allie Elkhadem
29/10/2014 10:28:42
That's a good point so I think it would be more accurate to say "in both Christianity and Islam women were depicted as equals in their respective holy texts; however, women were not treated as equals and eventually this gender inequality was rationalized using the text". Hopefully that makes sense
Ana Larrazolo
29/10/2014 16:44:21
I think for your fourth point it would be better if you said Muslims acknowledged themselves as relatives of Abraham, because the immediate connection or original religion Abraham proclaimed was Judaism and I believe Muhammad was aware of that BUT I may be way wrong
Allie Elkhadem
29/10/2014 10:32:03
A margin question I was struggling with was number 7: In what ways were Sufi Muslims critical of mainstream Islam? My answer is:
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aidan
29/10/2014 11:04:57
they also believed that the ulma(religious scholars) had been "compromised" due to their interaction with the worldly and corrupt governments.
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Bingham
29/10/2014 11:37:58
A word or two of advise, if I may so bold; 1st & 8th period WHAPers are going to want to leave behind a good set of notes and charts from your study time this week. This weekend, if you're smart, you'll move on to Strayer 12 and the Mongols. You'll need something to review about Islam Sunday night/Monday morning after your head has moved on. Now is the time to do it while it's fresh and it can help you with the Islam test in any case.
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Allie Elkhadem
29/10/2014 12:11:51
Mr. Bingham, I realized that 2nd period has you on Monday so does that mean that our class will be writing the essay this Monday?
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Bingham
29/10/2014 14:32:16
Oh, right. Duh! Yes. So my advice is for 1st and 2nd. 8th will write a Mongol Comparative.
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Charlie Wannall
29/10/2014 14:53:26
So I don't really feel like sitting here and typing them all out in one go so here's the first Eight Margin Questions:
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Charlie Wannall (Pt 2)
29/10/2014 14:55:44
-Islam's promise of material gain through trade, appeal of a new religious faith, end of warring tribes caused by the sense of Umma, successful military action, and the promise of marriage alliances contributed to the consolidation of Islamic control throughout Arabia.
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Charlie Wannall (Pt 3)
29/10/2014 14:56:54
-Sufis were sharply critical of the more scholarly and legalistic practitioners of sharia law because they think that teaching law and "correct behavior", while providing a useful outline for daily life, does not bring one closer to Allah. (Some Sufis even went as far to say that the Qur'an is not as important as being with God.)
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Ana Larrazolo
29/10/2014 16:16:36
Ok so for this one you might want to add that:
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Charlie Wannall (Pt 4)
29/10/2014 14:57:36
--Optional Slightly Opinionated but Hopefully Evidence Based Stuff--
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Ana Larrazolo
29/10/2014 15:48:33
Yes, I agree with you we attach one story for all Muslims and all Middle Easterners and we assume that they're all extremist, sexist, wife beating, suiciding bombing, terrorist plotting, turban wearing and bearded men. And for the woman I know that are generalized as very suppressed and get burned and beaten and most iconically are taken of their rights for wearing a Hijab. Especially to white western feminist which is a huge problem, it terms of respect for modesty and respect for sexuality, but that's a whole other topic.
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Ana Larrazolo
29/10/2014 15:53:52
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